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Open letter to Cho Ramaswamy – the strawman of Tamil politics

Mr. Cho Ramasamy the actor turned politician and editor/publisher of a Tamil weekly has recently appeared in few national television media to air his opinion on issues relating to the region.

This is an open letter to Mr. Cho with reference to his recent interview published in The Economic Timeson 19 May 09. I hope Mr. Cho will be a good sport for appreciation/criticism.

Open letter to Mr. Cho Ramasamy:

20 May, 2009

Good Morning Mr. Cho. Congratulations for getting a spot in the The Economic Times to air your views on the fallout of the latest Lankan developments in Tamil Nadu and to give your advice on what the Indian government should do now to find a solution to the problems.

I would like to point out some of your answers and seek some clarifications.

To start with, for the question: “What you think will be the fallout of the Lankan development on Tamil Nadu, where Sri Lanka war was a big election issue?”, you have answered: “It was never a poll issue and this time also it wasn’t a poll issue

However, In the very next question: “What about youngsters here? Do you think their empathy will spill over to agitations? “, You have answered “…. It may be a poll issue but parties will not support agitations”

If “the poll issue” fliflop was a print error by The Economic Times, I guess it can be left uncorrected as most readers presume that it is indeed your style of expression (confuse the issue or reader or if possible both). Otherwise, please clarify.

Further in one of your answers you have stated that “Nobody was elected because he was a champion of LTTE and nobody was defeated because he was not.

I am positive that you must be aware of the following facts:

The rout of several senior Congress leaders, including Union Ministers:The prominent losers from the Congress include Union Ministers E.V.K.S. Elangovan from Erode and Mani Shankar Aiyar from Mayiladuthurai, former Union Minister R. Prabhu from Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu Congress Committee president K.V. Thangkabalu from Salem. In a see-saw battle, Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram of the Congress won by a narrow margin of 3,354 votes.
— Frontline , “The Hindu” publications.

Are you not aware that there were few organizations that worked exclusively for the defeat of these candidates?  May be you did not want The Economic Times to know these facts?

Also you cannot refuse the argument that AIADMK would have been routed if not for the last minute announcement by Ms J. Jayalalitha that she will send the Indian Army to create an independent state for Tamils in Sri Lanka.

Further, you have also stated this: “As far as the LTTE is concerned, there is no sympathy left with the Tamils here

Can you explain the methodology you use to feel the pulse of the people in our state? Do you refer to surveys conducted by reputed firms?, Because all the surveys I have read (Indian Express, Vikatan and Loyola College) indicate that if not all, a sound majority view LTTE as a legitimate freedom struggle. Please let us know what logical reasoning you adopt to come to conclusions about the views of the people, because you may have to change it as it had gone totally wrong.

You have clearly stated that you oppose an independent state for Lankan Tamils. I respect your anti Eelam stance and will stand to protect your freedom of thought and speech. However the tool you are using to push your viewpoints – “Lies” is not appropriate in any manner. In my humble opinion, using “Lies” will not only taint your reputation but also weaken your viewpoints.

Further you have stated: “Well here, some fringe elements will indulge in some agitations. Some fanatics may even try self-immolation”.

Can you please explain what the term “fringe elements” mean?. Mr. Muthukumar has been given a page in Wikipedia. His statement became the most circulated material in the Tamil print and internet media. It fueled 10 other self immolations across the globe (Mostly in Tamil Nadu) which is very sad.  Film Actors, Film workers, Doctors, Advocates, Traders, IT Engineers, TV Actors, Directors, Students, Painting Artists, Poets – folks from all walks of life have observed protests. All political outfits have organized several forms of protests. The Chief Minister Mr. Karunanidhi and the opposition leader Ms Jayalaitha have observed fast protests. I have not seen an uprising in my life (in my state) that parallels the protests in the last few months. Your above statement that these protests are by “fringe elements” is nothing less than a consciously stated lie.

Again, I respect your anti Eelam stance, but the tool you have chosen to push your view points – “Lies” is not appropriate in my opinion.

To my knowledge, this convinient misrepresentation of facts (Lies) by you to mislead some of the National Indian English media  is indicative of the low standard of journalism you have set for yourself. It also indicates the low standard of moral ethics you have set to yourself. The sloka you quote very often which is the essence of the Hindu religion talks a lot about truth. 

“Sathyam Bhruyaath
Priyam Bhruyaath
Mathbruyaath sathyamapriyam
Priyam cha na anruthambruyaath”

(Speak the truth,
speak the soothing word,
Even if truth,speak the soothing word,
Even if true, do not speak the harsh word, Even if soothing, do not speak the untruth.)

What benefit it does to understand just the individual meaning of the words and not practice it in your life.

I urge you to write more about why you have been opposing the formation of an Independent state for the Tamils in Sri Lanka, with verifiable facts and arguments based on policies and geo political interests and above all with “Truth” behind your view points.

I do admire your sense of humor and will be delighted to see you in the screen again. 

Sincerely,

Sunderapandyan
Citizen Journalist, Kalugu.com
——-***——-
The Straw-man of Tamil Politics:

Cho’s affiliation to RSS and the Hindutva ideologies are his birth right. In my opinion he has his own version of the Hindutva philosophies and is yet to find a platform or a leader to carry that forward.

Cho has been very vocal in opposing any movement that would lead to the creation of an independent Tamil state for the Lankan Tamils. So I view him as sabotaging the Lankan Tamil interests and progress. Some feel that Cho represents the aspirations of the Tamil Brahmins. I don’t agree to that either. Cho has never represented the Tamil Brahmin aspirations. Here is an example from a recent happening:

Mr. Cho Ramasamy

MrCho is a self-confessed well-wisher of the BJP which did not win a single seat in the state.Mr. Cho predicted 25 constituencies for ADMK and 15 for DMK in this elections.

An incident that rocked the sentiments of the Tamil Brahmin community in recent times was the arrest of Swami Jeyendira Saraswathi – The Sankaracharya of Kanchi Mutt.  Needless to say the Kanchi Mutt is one of the oldest and most respected institutions for Hindus all over the nation. Several members of the mutt were in turmoil with the incident being highlighted in a manner that brought disrespect to the institution and its tradition. While most members of the mutt agreed that the crime has to be punished, they were shocked in the way the story was handled in the media, with no respect to the Hindu sentiments.

While the leader of the Tamil Brahmin community organization (TAMBRAS) called upon members of the community to come out of their house and organize protests, there was little support. To my knowledge Mr. Cho did not utter a word about the whole chapter. While Cho would comment on all state issues in National media, he failed to use his network in the media to throw some light into this issue. Mr. Cho would openly state that he does not stand for the welfare of his community. The pretext being – his ideologies are larger than just his community or even the state. So patronization of Cho by sections of his community (by subscribing to his magazine) has indeed recieved no gratification.

While among Tamil Brahmins, he ignores their true sentiments, while amongst Tamils he sabotages their aspirations, and we can speculate what he will stand for as an Indian/Human.

Cho being the straw-man he is in Tamil politics, does offer some value to the state. However, if one does not understand the correct perspective with which his opinions can be taken, it may lead to a disaster. The key is – his opinions should be listened to, but not implemented. In fact it may work in most instances if you implement the opposite of what he suggests. 

Mr. Rajinikanth and Ms Jayalalitha are two examples of otherwise successful individuals reaching the lowest point in their public life due to their association with Cho. The reason these associations resulted in disaster is because both of these individuals did not have any clue on how to apply Cho’s intelligence appropriately.

In simple terms, the key to success with Cho on your side is: When Cho says go south, you should go north.

Written by Sunderapandyan

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62 Responses

  1. Prakash says:

    News channels look for varied opinions and air regardless of the sincerity or validity of the ideas. He is someone not to be taken seriously. He is very similar to Subramanyam swamy.

    • Kumar says:

      1. “Are you not aware that there were few organizations that worked exclusively for the defeat of these candidates? May be you did not want The Economic Times to know these facts?”

      Suderapandyan: Are you not aware that these organizations worked exclusively for the defeat of *all* congress candidates? Then how come congress got 9 out of 16? Please don’t say money power played a part. These candidates in fact have more money power than the ones that won from Congress. Fact: All these losers had a lousy track record in their constituencies including P Chidambaram. This was the main reason for their defeat. If you want to get the pulse of the people I would urge you to visit these loser constituencies and talk to the common people there.

      2.”An incident that rocked the sentiments of the Tamil Brahmin community in recent times was the arrest of Swami Jeyendira Saraswathi”

      Sounderapandyan: Are you not aware that the Tamil Brahmin community consists of two major sects, namely the iyers and iyengars? Jeyendra is important for the iyers but the iyengars don’t give a rat’s ass to his arrest. Yes, the iyers are numerically superior but even amongst them there are good many who don’t attach much importance to the kanchi mutt.

      3. “Cho predicted 25 constituencies for ADMK and 15 for DMK in this elections.”

      Didn’t you citizen journalists predict 0 for the congress and less than two digits for the dmk?

      And aren’t you the one who advocated co-opting the ltte by US agencies? Why don’t you now forward your article to the homeland security and CIA?
      Cho is a straw-man but what about you?

    • Sunderapandyan says:

      Kumar,

      Thank you for sharing your viewpoints. The organizations that worked in the ground focused on few leaders and they have been defeated. Also in these constituencies, there were more number of organizations that were campaigning against Congress.

      Regarding Kanchi Mutt – Cho has stated on several occasions that he follows Hinduism in its true sense. But he preferred to be silent when the reputation of the nation’s largest Hindu institution in his very home state was under attack by the media. Cho being an Iyer is not relevant here. When the rubber meets the road, all that Cho exhibited was cowardice.

      Thank You.

    • Kumar says:

      “Regarding Kanchi Mutt – Cho has stated on several occasions that he follows Hinduism in its true sense. But he preferred to be silent when the reputation of the nation’s largest Hindu institution in his very home state was under attack by the media. ”

      Sunderapandyan: You don’t seem to get the point. If somebody is accused of murder will you support him just because he follows the same religion as you do? There was a police case and the case was and still is in the courts. No sensible person would blindly support kanchi mutt when there was criminal proceedings against the mutt. How do you know the truth? Till the case is settled in one way or the other you can’t take sides. Also, if you had read thuglak in those days you would have noticed that Cho did say in his Q&A columns that J was going overboard in cornering the mutt. And he gave space for Gurumurthy to air his views that was highly critical of J. Cho, as the lawyer he is, kept quiet about the merits of the case as an onlooker has no way of knowing the truth till the case runs its course. You are either ignorant of the law or you pretend to be ignorant. As the law says, ‘ignorance of the law is not an excuse’.

    • Prakash says:

      Kumar:

      Very funny reply. “As Cho is a lawyer, he kept mum” – wonderful. No law stops anyone to support openly that the guilty should be punished. He will become invisible when he finds it comfortable ?The law did condemn Narendra Modi, did he stop from supporting him for the sake of law ?

      Your take on his predictions is right, we should not take him seriously 🙂

      Your logic on why congress lost is amazing. Lousy track record is fooling ourself. Watch closely the votes garnered by DMK, ADMK & Vijayakanth – you will notice, the DMK vote bank is more or less the same, and ADMK vote bank has been eroded by Vijayakanth, which was well planned by DMK & Congress. So it is just the case of numbers.

      Tamils have been cheated by numbers and their emotions are intact. One of the main contribution of Cho might be the revival of Periyar like movement in Tamilnadu. No where else in the world you can talk against a community and eat from their hands.

    • Kumar says:

      Prakash,

      “The law did condemn Narendra Modi, did he stop from supporting him for the sake of law ?”

      Really! Prey tell me where there is a court case against Modi. The Gujarat riot cases are against the govt machinery and not against Modi. You have to know the facts. In all such cases it is always the ‘State vs the defendant’.

      “Watch closely the votes garnered by DMK, ADMK & Vijayakanth – you will notice, the DMK vote bank is more or less the same, and ADMK vote bank has been eroded by Vijayakanth, which was well planned by DMK & Congress. So it is just the case of numbers.”

      Every one knew this the moment Vijayakanth said that he was going to contest alone. Only a political novice wouldn’t know that Vijayakant was not going to split the votes. And you need to take a closer look at the votes yourself. Only in 9 constituencies DMDK got significantly more than the winning margin. So, even if Viji aligned with someone that would have made difference of a max of 9. Also, if he had aligned with either ADMK or DMK he would have lost those votes that are against those parties. Approximately 50% of DMDK votes are against both DMK and ADMK. Of the rest 50% it’s true that he ate up the anti DMK votes and spoiled ADMK chances. But if you look closely at ADMK victories you notice that 4 out of 9 are against Congress and one against VCK and only 4 are against DMK. So, my take on lousy performance is still very valid. O.S. Maniyan of ADMK himself says this regarding his win in Mayiladuthurai.

    • Prakash says:

      Kumar:

      “Really! Prey tell me where there is a court case against Modi. The Gujarat riot cases are against the govt machinery and not against Modi. You have to know the facts. In all such cases it is always the ‘State vs the defendant’. ”

      Are you going to the extent of saying Modi the leader of the state is not responsible what state did? If it was not under his control for 3 days, who was in-charge and what was his role ? Supreme court ordering a probe on Modi’s involvment is a compliment to him ?

      Supreme court says:
      “The role of the State Government also leaves much to be desired. One gets a feeling that there was really no seriousness in the State’s approach in assailing the Trial Court’s judgment….”

      Do you know Tehelka has tapes showing BJP, VHP, Bajrang Dal party members boasting Modi was the one who gave the go-ahead ? Just because these cannot be produced as evidence, does not mean Modi is a right. Do you know Vajpayee said “I am ashamed” after meeting the victims of Godhra ?

      Just to remind you on Modi’s point of view, in his own words:
      “Relief camps are actually child-making factories. Those who keep on multiplying the population should be taught a lesson.” spoken by Shri Narendra Modi, addressing a rally in Mehsana district during his gaurav yatra, quoted in The Hindu, Sept 10, 2002.

      Such a man is being praised by Cho – great!

      Dont even think of Nanavati report, as it is such a nonsense, for a murderer to appoint his own court to find whether he murdered or not.

      Regarding Vijayakanth:
      His rhetoric on the last few days before the elections were aimed at ADMK. Thanks to Congress’s contributions. 9 seats out of 18 is not a good number ?

  2. Dr.S.Thiru says:

    Mr.Sunderapandyan,

    I’m really sorry to note that you have wasted an entire column for this disgusting individual named ‘cho’ who never commands respect from Tamils anywhere in the world especially from Tamilnadu. Tamils known him as a comedian, both ‘on’ and ‘off’ the screen and only those brahmin controlled media guns and their polytical organ named BJP has portrayed him as a polytical analyst, journalist etc… Since, Tamils are struggling for their mere existence on earth at this point of time, I request you to please concentrate on those burning issues that need to be addressed and highlighted to the world and not wasting your energy and time to these silly, mediocre entities.

    • Sunderapandyan says:

      The idea is to spread the knowledge of Tamils about Cho to the rest of the world so that they will not waste their time and their readers/viewers time by putting Cho in the focus. Also Cho’s lies should be dealt with in an individual level and not lump his community for his mistakes. Thank you for your comment Dr. S. Thiru.

  3. naru says:

    vidunga kumar,

    sila peruku publicity venumna, indha madhiri prabalama irukaravangala pathi edhavadhu ezhudha vendiadhu. appadiavadhu yaaravadhu ivangala parka mattangalanu oru nappasai.

    cho does not need any certificate from these silly journalists. edho oru veena pona pathirikaiyila, velai senjutta ivanga ellam journalism-la peria pisthanu nenappu.

    edhuku open letter. cho-vukke ezhudha vendiadhu thaane. cheap publicity stunt. nothing else.

    • Prakash says:

      naru romba paavam neenga! 🙂 Vadivelu comedy ellam saapituteenga.

    • Kumar says:

      Prakash,

      neenga comedy pannAthInga. You guys are in a state of denial. One can only sympathize with that.

    • Prakash says:

      I am happy to hear you have the “sympathising” feeling still left in you 🙂

  4. Jude says:

    It is sad that for all English / North Indian media, N.Ram and Cho are the sole “intellectuals” from Tamil Nadu.

    I have never seen anybody other than these 2 guys on TV to give their views on anything to do with TN or Tamils.

    Apparently these persons have their own agenda which does not reflect common sentiments of people they are supposed to represent in media.

  5. Ramanathan says:

    cho is a casteist and he would’ve been classified as a ‘Racist’ in any part of the world. However he tries to project his views as logical analysis, he is just a drum-beater for brahminiacal fanaticism. And no wonder he is a mouthpiece for north indian media howlers.

    cho – su samy – ram – unfortunately these are the political commentators! for their kith and kin – ndtv – ibn – indian express – rediff etc

    Also do not ever think they are intellectuals; for that term one must contribute original thinking that none of the above have shown.

  6. Ronin says:

    I too believe it is not worth Kalugu writing about Cho..He is of the Ilk of Ramdoss, Krishnasamy or Karthik..There are even moments the others would put others human rights ahead of their castes..

    The undue attention is because he owns a media company and has inroads into English media..

  7. malarthamil says:

    What Pandyan is attempting is to debug a parasite. Mr. Cho should be exposed to Tamils first on his ill intentions and evil designs since there are literate innocent people who unknowingly believe in his poisonous writings. He has some parallaels in the epics like sahuni or kooni.

    When compared to his seeding of dirty views in media and his clandestine and open activities to promote Hindutwa in TN, the open electoral politics of Ramdoss, Krishnasamy and comic activities of Karthik are not against Tamils . Both of these groups are promoting their castes which I would not find fault since that is so much inherent in the Indian society, the forces to annihilate the caste are not yet powerful.

    If Cho go for Enge Brahmanan, I consider that as a literary work promoting the activities of Brahmin Community and that cannot be objected as long as it does not turn against Tamils. I just ignore or have no time for that. ( My mother in law with my two boys in vacation watch that serial continuously)

    Cho is definitely Anti Tamil in his political activities. And his intentions are very clear. His goals are set to convert TN into the Hindutwa fold. He attempted to promote bakthi though Rajini as if it is under threat in TN. Alas Rajini failed.

    He poison the mind of Jayalalitha and brings blood thirsty Modi to his functions and Poes garden for feast and Jayalalitha has now failed. AIADMK can recover in TN by distancing Jaya from Cho and Modi and getting closer to minorities and dalit.

  8. Sunderapandyan says:

    Kumar, I agree that one cannot support a criminal (If only you know right away that he committed the crime). My point though was regarding the media buzz, in a manner to disregard and insult the sentiments of the mutt followers and Hindus as such. Again, its not my concern to endorse the reputation of the mutt, but the matter of fact is “many peoples sentiments were affected”.

    As Malar has pointed, Cho knows only to use the backdoor. He cannot call himself a Hindu if he believes and practices “Lie”. (being a lawyer, that should come naturally i guess). Why does he say repeatedly that he believes in the true essence of Hinduism and the sloka about truth. Who is he trying to deceive?. The Tamil Brahmins? or entire Tamil Nadu?. Actually he is cheating himself.

    “Lie” , “misrepresentation of truth” and “back door approach” may look like paying in the short-term, but finally only truth will prevail. I respect S.V Sekhar in that respect. He is a straight forward leader. He says he stands for Brahmin interests, demands reservation for poor brahmins and rallies people behind him. He can bring more credibility and success for his followers.

    Many in Tamil Nadu know about Cho, so they ignore him. However, they are not realizing that small mistakes will cost big later, if not corrected in a timely manner. If he is allowed to continue his “backstabbing” of Tamil interests by spreading “Lies” in Delhi, I do consider him a threat that needs to be addressed strongly.

    He has every right to follow Hindutva (his version) and even preach it. But he has to do it with honesty. Not by recruiting Rajini/Jaya or any other popular personality. Sakuni’s may have thrived in ancient time. Times have changed with Democracy and people rule ultimately. If you don’t work with the people with honesty you will go no where.

    You might have read the “Pink Juddy Campaign”. Activism such as this powered by the people is exposing elements like Cho in many parts of India already.

    • Kumar says:

      Sunderapandyan,

      “Again, its not my concern to endorse the reputation of the mutt, but the matter of fact is “many peoples sentiments were affected”.

      As Malar has pointed, Cho knows only to use the backdoor. He cannot call himself a Hindu if he believes and practices “Lie”. (being a lawyer, that should come naturally i guess). Why does he say repeatedly that he believes in the true essence of Hinduism and the sloka about truth. Who is he trying to deceive?”

      You and Malarthamil are tying yourselves in knots. Malar says Cho promotes Hindutva and you say he didn’t protest enough when hindu sentiments are affected. It couldn’t be both ways, right? Btw, how did you know hindu sentiments were affected when the mutt was targeted? Brahmin sentiments perhaps but you can’t say hindu sentiments. Majority of rural tamilnadu do not practise the brahmnical hinduism. Those people that worship MuniyAndi and IyanAr are still hindus but can you say that they were affected by the affairs of the mutt?. Your arguments are specious at best.
      Anyway, I earnestly suggest that you eat kiribath in the company of Nithyananthan. It’s good for the soundness of your physical and mental health. Kiribath, dosai and coffee is a good combination.

    • Prakash says:

      Kumar:

      “…Malar says Cho promotes Hindutva and you say he didn’t protest enough when hindu sentiments are affected.”

      The point here is, he is a liar/ fool, who chooses to talk (for the sake of talking or for the sake of sounding intelligent) when Hindutva can be promoted. He could not have tried that with Mutt in murder drive.

      What is the confusion for you here ? The point here is, he can be go both sides. The blog author I guess was trying to say, he is not even honest enough in saying, I will be a hindutva supporter, what may come or go.

      You have effectively pointed out few things:
      1. Mutts are meant for Brahmins and not for Hindus – atleast the mutts promoted by Brahmins. Thanks.

      2. And you further proved point no. 1, that those who pray Muniyandi or Iyanar are not affected, as they are no way entertained by Mutts.

      Frankly, I wont waste any more of time on this stupid fellow Cho!

  9. Nithyananthan says:

    I am in total agreement with Dr Thiru’s comments and Mr. S Pandyan’s response to it. As Dr. Thiru said we came to know this Cho’mari as comedian in Tamil B&W movies. He was matchless and couldn’t compete with his peer Nakaish in reaching stardom and eventually he withdrew / thrown-out from cinema. He is educated and intelligent, did law but didn’t pursue career in law. He has some satanic in-born talents, such as an entertainer – like British Mr. Bean, he used / still uses any of various physical and verbal means and gestures to entertain the audience; and his ability, as a comedic writer, to create literary works written in comic theme. He used these two talents very cleverly and effectively, grasping one when failed in other, to gain wide publicity and popularity. While losing his appeal in movies, he focused his comedic intelligence to write cosmetic but bluntly sarcastic still interesting politically figurative comments in comic themes; and thus he became a cultic figure for many and managed to cultivate a sizable readership among both Tamil and English speaking people.
    As a layman, I see him popular for comical verbosity in politics but not at all prominent in visionary analysis and forecasts. His writing-ups and comments are always incomplete, left with more questions than answers, less convincing and more confusing. My overall appraisal, on this foul-smelling Cho’mari, is that he is no more than a glorified obnoxious political gossiper instigating social and religious rivalry and disharmony; and he is also being used and wrongly exalted as exemplar political strategist / analyst by like-minded Indian media. With these credentials and track-record, these skunks – Cho’mari and Ram – are seen as not worthy enough for recommendation – even to polish and knot Rajapakse brothers’ shoes.

  10. Sasikumar says:

    @Nithyananthan: Cho’mari – you found very good name to Cho (Sorry to Cho’mari).

  11. While I agree with many commenters that there is no need for us to waste our time with a lowly, nauseating creature like this Cho’mari, I also believe this liar and shameless crook needs to be exposed to the world for what he is. Thanks to Sunderapandyan for exposing the true nature of this notorious scoundrel 😡

    It’s a fact that several Congress “heavyweights” – E.V.K.S. Elangovan, Mani Shankar Aiyar, R.Prabhu, Sarubala Thondaiman, K.V.Thangkabalu were humiliated in the elections because of the anger of the people and the superb and effective campaigning by Seeman and others. Even ‘Shit’ambaram lost the elections and his opponent was declared elected, but due to some “tricks” played at the last minute, he “won” the fradulent count by the narrowest of margins. Shame on the cheat!

    As for vile scoundrels like Cho, N.Ram and Subramaniyam Swamy; it won’t be long before their evil souls rot in hell for eternity!

    • Ronin says:

      It is sad that BJP believes him to be a true representative of Hindus of TamilNadu..Which needs to be corrected.

  12. Prakash says:

    That may be the reason BJP has not been able to get foothold in TN 🙂 Thanks to Cho.

  13. Naren says:

    Plz Plz dont blame cho he is not responsible for the lanka attacks on tamils ..i surprise what did the so called pro tamil parties did while LTTE was attacked? you guys cant blame cho because of anti incumbency factor which jayalalitha faced in 2004, success and failures are part and parcel of life and politics is no exception …. one cant blame cho for the corruption charges of jayalalitha , remember cho was the first person to criticize jayalalitha publicly for her corruption. Cho is the ideal tamil indian to me had he ever criticized tamils, Backward caste tamils etc.had he ever insulted the other relegions?…..he always wishes to see all the castes be treated as equal and all tamilians should consider themselves as indians first and tamils next. Just because BJP never had a vote bank in TN cho should not be made a scape goat for that matter think what if congress contests lonely in TN with DMK or any other party.last but not least what did DMK and so called pro tamil parties did for the welfare of tamils and also the tamils in lanka? do you think that cho is responsible for that? one should not forget that it is a atheistic and anti hindu and family party is ruling and ruining the state.i reequest all the true indian tamils not fall under the negative apprehensions of this guys ..
    JAI HIND
    JAI TAMIL NADU
    Sarve jana Sukhinobavanthu

  14. Prakash says:

    Naren:
    We are saying, Cho is responsible only for BJP’s loss in TN, because BJP believes he is right. Apart from that people in TN know to trust him or not, so no effect from him. These articles is for the benefit of next generation.

  15. all tamilians should consider themselves as indians first and tamils next

    Let’s leave aside the talk of Indians and Tamils for the time being. Can Cho’mari be considered as a human being first? Or N.Ram? Or Subramaniam Swamy? Or the other lowly sewer journalists like Rajdeep Sardesai, Prannoy Roy etc.? If they are indeed humans who have any humanity left in them, why don’t they speak a word against the butchering of more than 20,000 fellow humans (civilians) in cold blood by the barbaric army of a rogue terrorist state using cluster bombs and chemical weapons? Why don’t they even report it?

    The same question can be put to the selfish, power-hungry, yellow-towelled idiot – M. Karunanidhi who seems to have completely forgotten the genocide of Tamils in his endeavour to promote his huge extended family in politics, or to the gang comprising of the bloody blue-turbaned thug – (inhu)Manmohan Singh, the lowly cheat – ‘Shit’ambaram and the barbaric barking dog – Pranab Mukherjee who were all busy giving alms and arms to the Rajapakse rogues and blocking UN human rights investigations into the war crimes committed by the bas****s.

    When Sri Sri Ravishankar was asked what prompted him to visit Sri Lanka, he said: “Politicians and governments have failed but I wanted to tell the Sri Lankan Tamils that humanity still existed.”

    Poor chap! He could not have got it more wrong. There are bas****s in this world who never had any humanity in the first place. And they include all the names mentioned previously. The very fact that an entire bunch of Third World rogue states were able to block a UN Human Rights investigation into SinHELLa Lanka’s war crimes should make it clear that humanity is largely dead because there are is an unbelievable number of scum beings in this world.

  16. Ronin says:

    Naren,

    I have nothing against your opinion..But trying to rank your affinity is childish..

    It is like a jealous wife asking “Do you like your me or your mother more”?

    Why do you feel the rank the need to rank stuff..Do our fathers like our kids in an order? This is just plain childish! Do what you feel is right in the situation..and if it needs a ranking to make a decision in life, We can just replace us with a computer?

    D

  17. Rahul says:

    Prabhakaran has died, has hell broken loose in TN? Are people boiling over with rage. We saw the extent of sympathy there is. Why is the formation of an eelam a better solution according to you, are Tamils incapable of living with non-tamils?

    • Prakash says:

      The question is like asking – Are hindus incapable of living in Pakistan. I cant blame you, as you have no idea of what happened in the past 60 years and you are fed with information only from popular media.

    • Nithyananthan says:

      Answer to your question is a BIG YES!
      Reason is well known.
      We can not play the same record again and again.
      Thanks

  18. One cannot keep arguing with people who simply have no knowledge or understanding about the issue. The Eelam struggle is NOT about Prabhakaran – it is a struggle of a people for justice and freedom, it is a struggle against the evils of oppression, tyranny and genocide of a rogue state called SinHELLa Lanka. The struggle began long before the LTTE was born and it will continue to its logical conclusion whether the LTTE is present or not. Certainly, Thambi Prabhakaran is a colossus who took the struggle to great heights and made the LTTE a force that the evil barbarians of SinHELLa state could not fight without the free suppply of arms and alms from different rogue states and Third World shit-holes. These barbaric rogue states actively backed the genocide of more than 20,000 civilians as well as blocked a UNHCR investigation into crimes against humanity by the scum beings of the SinHELLa army. But their crimes shall not go unpunished! The filth beings of certain rogue states who backed SinHELLa Lanka as well certain scum creatures in the UN have the blood of more than 25,000 civilians on their hands. Those filthy, murderous scum creatures shall not just rot in hell for eternity, but their kin for as many as ten generations shall have to carry the curse of their evil deeds!

    It certainly not that Tamils are incapable of living with non-Tamils. They are more capable than others of doing so, as they have shown in several countries! Its about the SinHELLa rogue state, NOT even the Sinhalese people. The filthy SinHELLa rogue state, run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and criminal elite, backed by Sinhala fascist pseudo-Buddhist “monks” does not want to allow the Tamils to even live, let alone with with dignity and equality. This is clear from the CONCENTRATION CAMPS that are being run for the Tamil civilians in the GENOCIDE ZONE, from which all neutral and independent access is barred to cover up heinous crimes against humanity.

    • Nithyananthan says:

      An excellent-outstanding- reply.
      Thanka you, An Alien Raj! May God bless you!

  19. Dhilip Krishnaswami says:

    Dear Cho sir,

    I am K.Dhilip working as a Sales Manager in a company in Chennai. I am watching your serial “Engay Bhramanan”. Its too cool. May i get a good Breakup or Chance in your serial..?? I am too intrested in ACTING. I won number of Prizes in my School & College days. I too good in Singing.

    Regards,
    Dhilip.

    • Sunderapandyan says:

      DHilip – You can visit http://www.thuglak.com/thuglak/ and send your request directly to Mr Cho. Good Luck.

      I am glad to see that none have questioned my observation of Mr. Cho being a LIAR (a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly ). That was the only point I wanted to drive down.

      Mr. Cho – Please do justice to your principles by acknowledging the power of “Truth” and “Honesty”. Thank You.

  20. Kumar says:

    “I am glad to see that none have questioned my observation of Mr. Cho being a LIAR (a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly ). That was the only point I wanted to drive down.”

    Sunderapandyan: You never gave a direct reply to my questions and you claim here that no one questioned your absurd claims. Funny indeed. I have reproduced below the portion from my post which you conveniently ignored.

    “You and Malarthamil are tying yourselves in knots. Malar says Cho promotes Hindutva and you say he didn’t protest enough when hindu sentiments are affected. It couldn’t be both ways, right? Btw, how did you know hindu sentiments were affected when the mutt was targeted? Brahmin sentiments perhaps but you can’t say hindu sentiments. Majority of rural tamilnadu do not practise the brahmnical hinduism. Those people that worship MuniyAndi and IyanAr are still hindus but can you say that they were affected by the affairs of the mutt?. Your arguments are specious at best.”

    Btw, as you suggested rightly to Dhilip, you can also send your article to Cho himself and ask his opinion. Did you try that?

  21. Sunderapandyan says:

    Kumar – Yes, The letter was sent to Mr. Cho directly also :). If Mr Cho chooses to ignore it, I am not going to loose my sleep over it. However, if he decides to answer and allows us to publish the same, I will respect that and publish the same.

    You have stated your observation regarding Mr. Malarthamil and myself. I don’t see any question in that for me or Mr. Malarthamil.

    Regarding Hindu Sentiments – Tamil Brahmins are Hindu’s too. So I don’t see any issue terming their sentiments as “Hindu” sentiments. If you prefer calling them as Tamil Brahmin sentiments, there is nothing wrong in that too.

    Personal questions and observations aside, the fact that Mr. Cho “Lied” in national media stands undisputed.

    This is my humble effort to document his lies in the English Internet Media to assist other reputed agencies in making better judgment while inviting analysts for their columns & programs.

    • Kumar says:

      “Personal questions and observations aside, the fact that Mr. Cho “Lied” in national media stands undisputed.”

      What lie are you talking about here? No where in your article it came out clearly. Would you care to tell me what lie is that all about?

      Yes, Tamil Brahmins are Hindus too. I have no dispute over that. My point is simple. When sentiments of only less than 5% of the Hindu population in TN is affected claiming it as affecting majority Hindu sentiments is nothing but ‘audacious generalization’

      Secondly, an outsider has no knowledge of the facts of the case. Do you know the facts? when facts are unknown, a neutral observer *cannot* support or oppose the parties in dispute. Does that sound complex? So, your accusation that Cho didn’t support the mutt is pointless. No right thinking person can support or oppose one party or the other in such cases till the truth comes out. Your accusations are baseless and pointless but to try to project them as some sort of concrete facts is outrageous.

  22. Arul says:

    Aiyya Sunderapandyan avargalay,

    First of all you too are not sole representative of tamils here. People in TN have more issues than worrying for other countries. we are facing issues like inflation, price rise, Color TV , water and day to day farmers issues, where non of politicen have vision towards tomorrows future. All politiciens worry only about short term gains and making money in politices.
    Regarding Cho comments, my humble opinion is he was aginst killing of innocent people during war. Nobody would say killing of Rajiv was justified. Voilence in any form not to be encouraged. We need to know the full story of howmany tamils lost their life due to LTTE worong policy.
    You are trying to bring caste/religion into picture instead of commenting on Chos views.
    More over, it is only Media who make mole out of mountain in each issue and bring cho/ram for their comments.
    So dont blame any individual, it is all the politicens, you Media people who makes small issue and bring hatered amoung all Indians.

    • Prakash says:

      Dear Arul:
      From your writing it is “observed” you are a Tamil living in Tamilnadu – oblivious to anything other than colour tv & maanada mayilada!.

      Where is the author writing about caste here, in fact, people who are writing “for” Cho has clearly mentioned, that only Tamil brahmins and not Hindus are affected – there by clearly guiding casteism.

      You need not understand that the author is talking for Indians & not to lie 🙂

    • Sunderapandyan says:

      Arul:

      >First of all you too are not sole representative of tamils here.
      –Yes. You are right.

      >People in TN have more issues than worrying for other countries. we are facing issues like inflation, price rise, Color TV…
      –You are right again

      >Regarding Cho comments, my humble opinion is he was aginst killing of innocent people during war
      –Yes. That is acceptable for anybody to have their opinion.

      >Voilence in any form not to be encouraged.
      –Absolutely right.

      >You are trying to bring caste/religion into picture instead of commenting on Chos views.
      –I think, the article does the opposite. Its trying to remove caste/religion.

      > instead of commenting on Chos views
      –my comment is that 1. he is “Lying”, 2. He does not believe in truth & honesty. &. He does not respect the sentiments of people who trust him (subscribers of his magazine).

      Kumar – I am sorry that you are unable to see the point.

  23. Looks like we have people who cannot understand who the killers, murderers and terrorists are!

    If anyone wants to know how many Tamils lost their lives, it is more than 25,000 within the span of a few days – and they were not killed because of the wrong policies of the LTTE, but because of the criminal Rajapaksa rogues’ genocidal ethnic cleansing policy with CHEMICAL WEAPONS and CLUSTER BOMBS! The evidence is there for all to see, except those scum beings like Manmohan Singh, Pranab Mukherjee, P.Chidambaram etc. who pretend they are blind to the killing of fellow humans since they have played a part in this HEINOUS GENOCIDE:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6383449.ece

    As for the vile liar Cho’mari, N.Ram and scum beings like them, their evil souls are not concerned about innocent people at all! They are only concerned with telling LIES and expressing the other FILTH that resides in their devilish circulatory organs 😡

  24. dovin says:

    Everyone in TN has very strong opinions to express on LTTE/Eelam. Mostly in support, a few who oppose LTTE cruelty and killing of fellow tamils. BUT, and this is the BIG BUT, it did not play a major part in elections. The truth is indian tamils would provide moral support to LTTE, may be give small contributions in private, BUT their future lies in India and local governance. Every tamil in India is well aware of this and that is what truly matters to them. I think the recent elections were a perfect example of this.
    Trying to portray any group in india as die hard supporters or opponents of eelam or LTTE is futile. There just isn’t that kind of emotions. As far as self-immolations go, unfortunately there is someone in TN who just can’t wait for any reason whatever to do this.

  25. les says:

    dovin, with all due respect,

    “There just isn’t that kind of emotions. As far as self-immolations go, unfortunately there is someone in TN who just can’t wait for any reason whatever to do this.”

    I hope your not a tamil because how can any Tamil make such a statement. It was the self-immolations back during Neru’s time that helped the Central government realise that they cannot make Tamil Nadu a Hindi state. It is the worst kind of pain and suffering that a Tamil can undergo. To say that there are Tamils who look for any reason to suffer unimaginable pain, when there are other ways of dieing pain-free is ridiculous. What would you have those Tamils do, take up arms and fight the state of India. Tamil Nadu is not Punjab with a fractional sikh population. Tamil Nadu is 70 million strong.

    From what I see in the elctions, all the parties in South India claimed “they would help the Tamils in Sri-Lanka.” So what did you think the elections showed? If the DMK stated “we do not care about the Tamils in SL”, perhaps no Tamil would vote for them. In fact I recall reading the endless lines of protests that the DMK organised to stop the war in SL. If the Tamils in Tamil Nadu did not have die hard supporters of eelam as you claim, then why is India’s navy patrolling the Tamil Nadu coast. When an Indian army general was asked where the Navy was when the Mumbai bombings happened, “Patroling the waters of Tamil Nadu”.

    As the South Indian Tamils become more and more educated, wiser and disillusioned with the government of India; there will be a call for a Tamil Elam. Please never forget history dovin, India was ruled for over 200 years by the British. The British made a lot of Indians, wealthy and educated. Even though many Indians could speak english, followed their culture and became educated to their way of thinking, they used this to demand independance.

    When the Turkish minority in Cyprus were under threat, the Turkish army invaded the island and protected the population.
    When the South Ossetian minority in Georgia were under threat, the Russians invaded the territory and protected them.
    When East Pakistanis were attacked by West Pakistani soldiers, the Indian government stepped in and protected the East Pakistanis, by occupying, arming and fighting the war with them. Now it is called Bangladesh.
    When an Ethopian minority was under existential threat, Arab states delved in to help create Eritrea.
    I can continue this list… But I shall stop here
    Every country that has its people as a minority in another ADJACENT country has always intervened to help when that minority is at threat.

    When Sri-Lankan Tamils are slaughtered, where was India??? Arming the Sri-Lankan government, training SL soldiers, providing intelligence and need I go on… Despite India falsely claiming that they have made the government of Sri-Lanka halt its fighting. The Sri-Lankan government stated that the Indian government did not even speak to them about the matter. India even supported a resolution commending the Sri-Lankan government when all the other democracies of the world were voting against it.
    The rest of the free-thinking world knows better than India.
    The Tamils are an extreme minority in western states, but at LEAST our governments listens to us.

    Now India is fighting civil wars and rebel movements in other states. This never happened after 1948. So clearly there is something wrong with your government. I am not saying that Tamils from South India are not Indian. I am saying that when people like you spurt out obsidian negative statements about what Tamils in Nadu think, it only strengthens those who do not believe in that hogswallop.

    You believe Tamils in Nadu care about local government governance??? Then demand that the government of India lift the independant state ban and let the Tamils at the polls decide….

    In the west no such law exists. Keep caging the tamils in a box, sooner or later we will make that box your cage too..!

  26. itsme says:

    @Mr.sunderaPandyan in ur line to line reply to Mr.Arul ,Why have u not replied to his line about killing of Rajiv Gandhi?Did you think it will go unnoticed..

    • Sunderapandyan says:

      >Why have u not replied to his line about killing of Rajiv Gandhi?
      Here is my reply: Yes killing is NOT acceptable. Be it Rajiv or anybody else.

  27. itsme says:

    first of all i would like to know if the author Mr.SunderaPandiyan is following the works of Mr.Cho regularly…I bet not..if he is then he would truly know what Cho actually meant in this context … his

    1.first answer was from public’s perspective ,what issues are they gonna vote on…(every party in TN told every thing to make sure that they make an issue out of the situation in srilanka …so do you people really think there could be some one dumb enough to say for political parties this is not a poll issue at all..in fact it was the foremost issue)
    2.The second answer is very clearly from politiacl party’s perspective that they may take it as an poll issue but wont support violent agitations.
    Either the author is not following the works of Mr.Cho regularly or he just chose to misinterpret to tarnish Cho’s image …either way he has done a very lousy job.May be those who hate cho may enjoy this article because they read what they want to but it has nothing at all for someone who agrees with Mr.Cho’s opinion to even doubt his “truthfulness”… I am not a fan of cho and this article didnt make me doubt his credibility…lousy job author

  28. itsme says:

    are you an supporter of LTTE??

  29. itsme says:

    whats ur stand on srilankan tamil issue make ur styand very clear

  30. itsme says:

    both of the above questions above are addressed to the author Mr.SundaraPandyan

  31. Kandhan says:

    itsme:

    whats ur stand on srilankan tamil issue make ur styand very clear

    My stand is separate state: Tamil Eelam – democratically elected by North and East of Tamil Speaking people (Includes all Tamil Speaking people of Sri Lanka and Eelam Tamil Diaspora).

    By the way, it is highly impossible to follow Cho even occasionally. Hence your question of regularl follow-up of Cho work is unwarranted – Unimaginable.

    • itsme says:

      what is your stand on authors’ comment on Mr,Cho as a liar taking the interview from ET as an example…I dont expect you to Follow MR.Cho regularly…i want to make sure mr.author who has a strong opinion against Mr.cho are through with his views and works…infact all my previous comments are aimed at the author only..

    • itsme says:

      reading his magazine thuglaq weekly is more than sufficent to get a clear idea of his views I dont think this task is unimaginable…and yes it is unwarrented if you are not interested in the subject..

  32. Kandhan says:

    itsme:
    I like Vaanchinathan , Bhagat Singh, Nethaji Subhash Chandra Bose, Kattabomman / Jhansi Rani, Che Guavera, Fidel Castro, Velupillai Prabhakaran, George Wahington, Yasar Arafat, Nelson Mandela / his wife Winnie , Gandhi , Dalai Lama & Aung San Suu Kyi.

    These Heroes ways are different but their end goal is same – Freedom

    Please read article – Burma, China and Sri Lanka – The lessons

    When Jayalalitha arrested Kanchi Sankaracharyar – (spiritual head of Brahmins)

    Did cho performed self-immolation?
    Did he talk like Seeman in the open meeting against Jayalalitha?
    Did he serve jail term?
    Did he perform hunger strike until death?
    Did cho protest in the streets?
    Did he organize rally with other Brahmins aginst Jayalitha?
    His contribution is zero – when need of the hour, even to that community too.

    • itsme says:

      first of all i dont understand what any of this has to do with he being called a liar???
      Cho is just a journalist who voices his idea on various topics ..
      As a matter of fact he never proclaimed himself as leader/voice of brahmins ..so where comes the question of saving brahmins in the need of the hour?? he is just a commentator not a player…
      moreover he has never he has urged brahmins to vote for any political party he has not and never will encourage caste based politics ,so brahmins who expect sort of a leader one who would fight for the community he is not the guy for you …he is a reliable source for a honest third party opinion thats it…

    • Prakash says:

      Your points on his being to be taken ONLY as a “commentator” and not the one to act is well taken. However, do you think his taking the dias along with BJP Modi is not a stance he has taken which side he is on ?

  33. Kandhan says:

    itsme:

    “what is your stand on authors’ comment on Mr,Cho as a liar ”

    Yes, Cho is a big liar. I endorse author comments.

    “he is a reliable source for a honest third party opinion thats it…”

    Cho opinion well-suited provided – When Cho says go south, you should go north. This is THE BEST STATEMENT.

    “Cho is just a journalist who voices his idea on various topics ..”

    Why can’t Cho raise voices or Comment (Since you mentioned he is a commentator) on Kanchi Sankaracharyar episode?

    • itsme says:

      I asked
      what is your stand on authors’ comment on Mr,Cho as a liar taking the interview from ET as an example…
      it seems you have conviniently ignored the last part of the question…
      and yes Mr.Cho was not mum on sakaracahriyar issue
      soon after the arrest he said there could be a primafacae
      then seeing how the investigations went on he said it looks like the case was just to settle some personal vendetta…
      readers of thuglak would know this

  34. itsme says:

    Mr.AUTHOR sundarapandyan EXPECTING AN REPLY!!!
    first of all i would like to know if the author Mr.SunderaPandiyan is following the works of Mr.Cho regularly…I bet not..if he is then he would truly know what Cho actually meant in this context … his

    1.first answer was from public’s perspective ,what issues are they gonna vote on…(every party in TN told every thing to make sure that they make an issue out of the situation in srilanka …so do you people really think there could be some one dumb enough to say for political parties this is not a poll issue at all..in fact it was the foremost issue)
    2.The second answer is very clearly from politiacl party’s perspective that they may take it as an poll issue but wont support violent agitations.
    Either the author is not following the works of Mr.Cho regularly or he just chose to misinterpret to tarnish Cho’s image …either way he has done a very lousy job.May be those who hate cho may enjoy this article because they read what they want to but it has nothing at all for someone who agrees with Mr.Cho’s opinion to even doubt his “truthfulness”… I am not a fan of cho and this article didnt make me doubt his credibility…lousy job author

    • Sunderapandyan says:

      itsme – Thank you for the comments.

      >first of all i would like to know if the author Mr.SunderaPandiyan is following the works of Mr.Cho regularly:
      No I dont. I read this interview from a popular magazine.

      >first answer ….second answer:
      Your explanation for Cho’s flipflop (on election issue) does not convince me.

      I assume you are following Cho regularly. One downside of subscribing to somebody with “unique” viewpoint is that after sometime you elevate them to “God” and lose the ability to differentiate their good & bad. Everything they do and say will look noble to you.

      If somebody commits a murder in front of you, you don’t need to study his/her life to give your witness in a trial.

      Bye.

  35. itsme says:

    @Mr.Prakash
    yes he is openly supporting BJP …it is very obvious he has great respect for modi which he openly says so.. i donno which of these you are not clear about??? …..

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